Toilet & Faucet Replacement in North Gateway, Phoenix, AZ
Toilets, Faucets & Angle Stops | The Rough-In Measured First | Google 5.0 Rated
The decision on a toilet in a builder-built house is narrower than a showroom makes it look. Either the new one sits down on the flange already in the floor, or something has to move, and the City of Phoenix's own list of work exempt from permit treats those as two different pieces of work.
A tape measure settles it, and it takes a minute. American Discount Plumbing is a family-owned, Christian business that has worked across the Valley since 2000, licensed, bonded and insured, and the figure it wants first is the distance from the finished wall to the bolts at the base of the toilet.
AZ ROC #150707
Licensed, Bonded & Insured
Toilets, Faucets & Angle Stops
Rough-In Measured Before Ordering
Family-Owned & Christian Since 2000
Written Price Before Work
Veteran & 55+ Discounts
The Rough-In, in Inches
The measurement from your finished wall to the closet bolts goes on the quote as a number.Several Fixtures, One Booking
More than one fixture can be added to a single appointment when time allows.The Stub Read Before the Stop Is Priced
What the pipe behind the angle stop is made of, and whether it stands square, decides the size of the job.Where the Work Stops
A bowl that needs the drain under it moved is not work this company takes on, and you hear that on the visit.If the Day Is a Holiday
Work booked on a holiday is billed at 25% above the normal rate.AZ ROC #150707
Licensed, Bonded & Insured
Toilets, Faucets & Angle Stops
Rough-In Measured Before Ordering
Family-Owned & Christian Since 2000
Written Price Before Work
Veteran & 55+ Discounts
The Rough-In, in Inches
The measurement from your finished wall to the closet bolts goes on the quote as a number.Several Fixtures, One Booking
More than one fixture can be added to a single appointment when time allows.The Stub Read Before the Stop Is Priced
What the pipe behind the angle stop is made of, and whether it stands square, decides the size of the job.Where the Work Stops
A bowl that needs the drain under it moved is not work this company takes on, and you hear that on the visit.If the Day Is a Holiday
Work booked on a holiday is billed at 25% above the normal rate.You Can Take the First Measurement Yourself
How many inches from the wall to the bolt caps?
Put the end of the tape against the finished wall behind the toilet, above the baseboard, and read across to the center line of the two bolt caps at the base of the bowl. Twelve inches is the common answer; ten and fourteen both exist, and both are ordinary. Where the tank sits against a corner, or a vanity crowds the bowl, measure the clear width beside it too. That one figure decides which bowls will sit down in your bathroom.
The stop, and the stub standing behind it
Pavel (Paul) looks at the angle stop under the tank or the sink and at the piece of pipe it is threaded onto: what the stub is made of, whether it stands square and proud of the wall, and whether a new stop can be fitted to it at the surface. A stop changed where it stands is one kind of job. A stub that has to be reached inside the wall is the other.
You watch the fixture run and the base stay dry before Pavel (Paul) packs up
New closet bolts, a fresh seal, a new supply line and the stop where it belongs, then the water goes back on with you standing at the fixture and the old one goes out on the truck. The seal is set once and not lifted again because a wax seal asked to be seated a second time has stopped being a seal.
Serving North Gateway From Our Phoenix Base
American Discount Plumbing is based in Phoenix and serves all of North Gateway.
What Follows From Measuring the Rough-In First
Phoenix Exempts the Swap and Does Not Exempt the Move
The two lines that cover the everyday work
The City of Phoenix publishes a list titled Work Exempt from Permit, and two of its plumbing entries are the ones a household actually meets. One exempts “Replacement of water closets, valves or fixtures with new valves or fixtures complying with the conservation requirements.” The other exempts “The clearing of stoppages or the repairing of the leaks in pipes, valves or fixtures, and the removal and reinstallation of water closets.”
And the part the same list refuses to exempt
The list is equally clear about what falls outside it. Relocating valves, pipes or fixtures is not exempt, and neither is replacing or rearranging concealed drain or vent pipe. Read the two halves together, and the rule turns out to be about one thing only: whether anything moves.
Which makes the rough-in the first measurement
The rough-in is the distance from the finished wall to the center of the closet bolts, and it is where the drain was set when the slab was poured. A new bowl whose rough-in matches drops onto the flange that is there, and the work stays on the exempt side of the list. A bowl that needs the flange shifted, even by a couple of inches, is asking for the drain to move. That is the other side of the City's list, and it is work this company does not take on: a toilet goes back on the flange that is in the floor.
What that looks like in a real bathroom
A remodel is where it bites. A wall gets furred out for tile, a vanity grows, a bowl is bought for its looks, and the fixture and the floor end up two inches apart. That is ordinary, and it is nobody's fault. It is the difference between a fitting job and a plumbing job, and it is worth knowing which one you have before the fixture is paid for.
The stub behind the stop
The same line runs through the supply side. A new angle stop threaded onto a sound stub is a replacement. A stub that has to be cut back, re-piped or reached behind the finished surface stops being a replacement, because now something is moving. So the stub is read before the stop is quoted: its material, how far it stands out of the wall, and whether it sits square.
Three Things Owners Say When the Fixture and the Floor Disagree
“We bought a toilet, and it will not sit back against the wall.”
The rough-in on that bowl and the rough-in in your floor are two different numbers.
It is the commonest version of this call. A bowl built for a ten-inch rough-in on a twelve-inch floor leaves a gap behind the tank; the other way round and the tank fouls the wall. Measure first, and it is a shopping decision. Measure afterwards and it is a return.
“The toilet rocks and we have shimmed it twice now.”
Shims treat the symptom at the top of the problem.
A moving bowl tells you about the floor beneath it and the flange set into that floor. The visit reads the flange height against the finished floor and the condition of the bolt slots, and says whether a new bowl and a fresh seal will sit still. Where the answer is that the drain beneath the flange has to be opened or shifted, that is not work this company takes on, and you are told so on the day.
“The little valve under the sink weeps whenever we turn it.”
The stop is a replacement, and the stub behind it decides how big a replacement.
Where the stub is sound and standing square, the old stop comes off, and a new one goes on in its place. Where the stub is corroded, short, or set at an angle that kept the stop from seating, the work moves behind the surface and onto its own quote. That is read on the visit and told to you before anything is cut.
Fixture Work, Bowl by Bowl and Tap by Tap
Toilets replaced on the existing flange and repaired at the fill valve, the flapper, and the seal; bathroom, kitchen, and laundry faucets replaced or rebuilt at the cartridge; angle stops, and supply lines changed.
One complaint arrives often enough to address here rather than in the block above: a kitchen faucet whose handle has gone stiff and gritty. The cartridge is the usual culprit, and where that cartridge is still made the repair is short, and the fixture stays. Where it has been discontinued, the faucet is replaced on the holes it already occupies, which keeps the work on the exempt side of the City's list. Our toilet repair page covers the parts inside a tank and the faucets page covers makes and finishes.
Before the Fixture Is Bought
Still have a question? Call Pavel (Paul) directly and get a straight answer, no phone tree.
Flat against the finished wall behind the tank, and read to the center of the line running through the two bolt caps at the base of the bowl. If the baseboard is in the way, measure to the wall above it and not to the face of the board, because the board is not what the drain was set against.
Yes. The caps sit directly over the bolts, so measuring to the middle of them gives the figure. Where a bowl has a skirted base and no visible caps, the maker publishes the rough-in for that model.
The City's own list treats a replacement with a compliant fixture, and the removal and reinstallation of a water closet, as work exempt from permit. Outside the list sit relocating a valve, a pipe, or a fixture and replacing a concealed drain or vent pipe.
Not by us. Moving a bowl means moving the drain underneath it, and that is outside the work this company takes on. The first thing to ask is whether a bowl exists that fits your rough-in, because that question is free to ask and often ends the matter.
We do. Have the model to hand and, for a toilet, the rough-in it is built for. Fixtures we supply come with a warranty; on a fixture you supply, our installation is warranted, and the fixture itself is not.
A toilet on an existing flange is a short visit, and the room is back the same day. A faucet and its stops is shorter still. Where the stub behind a stop turns out to be the work, that becomes its own appointment, quoted with the downtime it carries.
Every Service in North Gateway
The rest of our North Gateway work, and the fixture guides sitting behind this page:
Fixture Waiting on a Measurement in North Gateway? Call American Discount Plumbing
Take the number from the wall to the bolt caps before you ring, and name the fixture you have in mind. That figure decides whether this is a morning's work or a job on its own track, and the written price says which. Call (602) 883-2787.
A figure in inches from the wall behind your toilet, taken with a tape you already own.
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